PHOENIX β Republican lawmakers advanced legislation to forbid teachers from honoring requests by students to be addressed by a pronoun different from their biological sex unless they have parental consent.
βThe child belongs to the parent, not the government,ββ said Rep. Theresa Martinez, R-Casa Grande, in voting for SB1001 Monday in the House Appropriations Committee. βI cannot imagine having to co-parent my child with the government.ββ
Rep. Athena Salman, D-Tempe, said thatβs fine in situations where children have supportive families.
But she said there are studies showing 70% of transgender children do not have that situation. Salman said β33% of trans and non-binary youth donβt believe and donβt find their current home to be a safe space to do that in, especially for a first time.ββ
Sen. John Kavanagh, R-Fountain Hills, sponsor of the legislation, said notifying parents ensures the students get whatever professional help they need, including for depression and suicidal thoughts. Requiring permission to be addressed by a different pronoun is no different than what occurs now in connection with school activities, he said.
βIf your kid wants to go on a school trip, they need permission from the parents,ββ Kavanagh told committee members. βIf your child wants to be on a sports team, they need permission from the parents. If your child wants to take an aspirin in school, they need permission from the parents.ββ
But Kavanaghβs bill does not ensure a parentβs affirmative desire to have a child addressed by a pronoun or a proper name that does not match their gender assigned at birth would be honored by teachers. It says that request can be trumped by a teacherβs βreligious or moral convictions.ββ
βWeβre trying to balance the rights of two parties,ββ he said in an interview with Capitol Media Services. Kavanagh said he presumes that βpretty much everyone elseββ at the school would be honoring the rights of the parents.
βI donβt think itβs a major violation of the parentβs rights,ββ he said.
βAims to suppress and intimidateβ
βI know what this bill is,ββ said Rep. Lorena Austin, D-Mesa. βThis bill is a nationwide agenda that targets and attacks a vulnerable population, and that is our youth,ββ said Austin, who uses βsheββ and βthemββ as her pronouns and identifies βas non-binary, non-gender conforming.ββ
βIt aims to suppress and intimidate them,ββ Austin said.
To lawmakers who who said that while parents may not understand a childβs request, they wonβt kick the child out, Austin said thatβs βabsolutely, unequivocally false.ββ Austin said youths in the LGBTQ community comprise the largest share of unhoused teens.
Kavanagh sought to portray the measure as one designed to help.
βIn youth, especially adolescence, issues around gender are always problematic and cause a great deal of angst,ββ he said. Being transgender, Kavanagh said, only makes that more pronounced.
βThe psychological problems that can go along with this can be depression and sometimes suicidal thoughts, especially if they have a condition called gender dysphoria which some have when the conflict is very extreme,ββ he said, referring to the unease someone may have because of a mismatch between biological sex and gender identity.
βThese are students who need family support,ββ Kavanagh said. βThese are students who need outside psychological care that the family can provide for them.ββ
Austin countered that it is bills like this that cause the angst to which Kavanagh refers.
She told of knowing her true identity at age 5.
βI grew up in a community where I knew I would not be accepted, I knew I would not be supported in my home or in public,ββ Austin said. βI need you to hear that,ββ she continued. βThis is my lived experience.ββ
Other transgender individuals also testified against the measure.
Jeanne Woodbury of Equality Arizona told lawmakers that sometimes a student seeking to come out to parents, even those who may be accepting, may still find it βintimidating.ββ
βWhen youβre a little bit afraid, whatβs helpful is to talk to someone like a teacher ahead of time and have that conversation and try things out in a safe space so you can actually prepare yourself to go have the conversation with your parents,ββ Woodbury said.
βWhat makes the teacher more appropriate to ask or talk to than anyone else?ββ Martinez asked. She said itβs equally possible a teacher might be a βdevout Catholic or a devout whateverββ who does not believe that things like this are a matter of choice.
βItβs not guaranteed that, even going to a teacher, youβre going to find support,ββ Woodbury acknowledged. βBut if you face rejection from a teacher, the stakes are lower than if you face rejection from a parent.ββ
Rep. Matt Gress, R-Phoenix, said he understands the concerns.
βAs a member of the LGBT community, I just canβt imaging having to live a separate life at school and a different life at your home,ββ he said. βAnd I understand that is the tragic reality that many members of the LBGT community face.ββ
But Gress said thereβs an overriding issue.
βI just canβt get to the point where Iβm willing to allow government employees to have additional information on a child,ββ he said.
βThe children belong to the parents,ββ Gress said. βParents have rights when it comes to their kids. They do. And to sever that relationship through public schools or other institutions, very serious.ββ
Gress said he introduced HB2084, which would provide $5 million for a family support program he said would help parents have such conversations with their children. βMore dialog is necessary, not less dialog,ββ he said. But the measure never got a hearing after Rep. Beverly Pingerelli, R-Peoria, who chairs the House Education Committee, did not put in on her agenda.
Kavanagh said there are other good reasons to ensure parents know if a child wants to be called by a name or pronoun that does not match his or her biological sex assigned at birth.
One, he said, is that the parent may have the child in treatment and the therapist may counsel that it is psychologically bad to allow the child to to be referred to by a non-matching name or pronoun. Kavanagh said there could be a lawsuit against the school if a child commits suicide and the parent didnβt know the child was being referred to by a different pronoun.
The measure, already approved by the Senate, now goes to the full House.