PHOENIX β Republicans on the House Ethics Committee sought to question a Tucson Democrat Thursday on her claim her decision to hide Bibles amounted to a joke and a peaceful protest.
But Rep. Stephanie Stahl Hamilton wasnβt there, having made what she told Capitol Media Services was a decision not to attend on βthe advice of my excellent lawyers.ββ
That left members of the GOP-dominated panel frustrated as they consider whether to recommend some punishment of her.
Rep. Joseph Chaplik, R-Scottsdale, who chairs the panel, acknowledged Stahl Hamilton was under no obligation to appear personally. He said he wonβt hold that against her when recommending what penalty, if any, is appropriate.
βBut I think it would have been more effective for her if she was here to give some light to some of our questions that were directed directly at her,ββ Chaplik said after the hearing.
He said a final decision will come after lawmakers consult with attorneys to determine if her actions rise to the level of violating House ethics rules on membersβ conduct, with a target of June 12 to make a recommendation to the full House.
Stahl Hamilton already publicly stated she was trying to make a βplayfulββ point about the separation of church and state when she moved the Bibles that normally are in the House membersβ lounge, putting them at various times underneath the cushions of chairs and, at one point, in a refrigerator.
She said she was trying to start a βconversationββ about the issue, though she conceded that should have started with talking to someone and not hiding the books.
βDisingenuousβ
Rep. Travis Grantham, R-Gilbert, one of three Republicans on the five-member ethics panel, said during Thursdayβs hearing that the protest explanation doesnβt ring true.
βI find it a little bit disingenuous,ββ he said. βHow is having a Bible sitting on a table somehow a violation of church and state? Did she feel like she was being coerced to follow a certain religion?ββ
With his client not there, Diego Rodriguez, a former state lawmaker and one of Stahl Hamiltonβs attorneys, responded that his role was not to tell committee members what she thought at the time or what was her motivation. Instead, he referred lawmakers to her statement in response to the complaint that βit was a form of peaceful protest.ββ
Chaplik said the lawyers representing Stahl Hamilton during Thursdayβs hearing βdid a fine jobββ but their presence did not substitute for committee members being able to hear directly from her.
βThey canβt answer for her on any questions that were directed to her on her beliefs or her actions or any knowledge that she may have,ββ he said. βThat would have been nice to have those answers today.ββ
The relevance of some of what GOP lawmakers wanted to ask her is less than clear.
Grantham, for example, wanted to know whether Stahl Hamilton ever has stolen anything or been convicted of theft or shoplifting. He said that information would help him decide the underlying question of whether she is guilty of the ethics charge against her of βdisorderly behavior,ββ saying he wanted to know βif thereβs a pattern of it or is this something new.ββ
βWas I sitting on my own sacred text?β
Rep. Justin Heap, R-Mesa, one of three Republicans who filed the complaint, acknowledged he did not witness Stahl Hamiltonβs actions in hiding the Bibles. The last of three incidents was caught April 10 on a hidden camera set up by House staff.
But he said he was offended after the videotape became public and the issue gained national attention. Heap said he believes some action against Stahl Hamilton is appropriate.
βWhat was particularly disturbing to me is not simply that these Bibles were removed but the photos of where these Bibles were placed, in a refrigerator and under the cushions of chairs where I and other members and lobbyists sit,ββ he told the Ethics Committee.
βI sit in those chairs,ββ Heap continued. βSo now I have to deal with the question of, at some point while these Bibles were missing, was I sitting on my own sacred text?ββ
Rep. Jennifer Longdon of Phoenix, one of the two Democrats on the panel, asked Heap if he accepted Stahl Hamiltonβs public apology.
βI do appreciate her apology but it canβt be escaped that apology came only after the actions had been known, she was informed this had been caught on video and that this became an issue of national concern,ββ Heap said.
βSo that does put a shadow over the sincerity of the apology, though if she is sincere I accept it,ββ he continued. βBut I think that question is irrelevant to the question of was her behavior appropriate.ββ
Grantham also raised questions about what he said, using air quotes, was her βapology.ββ
βShe didnβt apologize for the action,ββ he said. βShe apologized for the offense of anyone who thought that action was inappropriate.ββ
βFirst Amendment rightsβ
Rodriguez said Stahl Hamilton meant no disrespect to the House.
βHowever, she also has the utmost respect for her First Amendment rights to engage in peaceful protest,ββ he said. βAnd we would describe what she did as a peaceful protest.ββ
Beyond that, Rodriguez said Stahl Hamilton has described her actions as βa prank, a joke, it was done in jest.ββ
At the end of the hearing, Rep. Gail Griffin of Hereford, the third Republican on the panel, said she was not buying that argument.
βI donβt see this as a joke, I donβt see this as funny,ββ she said. Griffin also said Stahl Hamiltonβs apology came up short.
βShe didnβt apologize for removing the Bible,ββ Griffin said of Stahl Hamilton, who is an ordained Presbyterian minister. βI donβt understand why sheβs so angry about a holy book.ββ
Republicans also sought to undermine Stahl Hamiltonβs arguments about her desire for a separation of church and state.
They played a video of a 2021 floor speech she made on Maundy Thursday, the day of the Last Supper. She sought to make a point about attitudes about immigration and foreigners, saying people should βsee in them the face of Christ.ββ
In making her apology last month, Stahl Hamilton said she holds scripture βvery near to my heart.ββ
βIt is what guides me,ββ she said. βIt is what shapes and informs the decisions I make.ββ
Stahl Hamilton said she has the βutmost respectββ for people of all faiths and for those who have no religious beliefs.
βAnd because of that respect, I recognize my actions could have been seen as something less than playful and offensive,ββ she said.