Incumbent Michele Reagan, left, and Republican challenger Steve Gaynor, right, met in a televised debate Thursday. The GOP primary will be Aug. 28.

PHOENIX β€” The contest for secretary of state could boil down to whether voters believe things are being better run now in the office than they were two years ago.

In a televised debate Thursday night, incumbent Michele Reagan acknowledged that 2016 was β€œa very bumpy year.”

That may be an understatement.

At a news conference that year, Attorney General Mark Brnovich unloaded on Reagan for failing to comply with state laws requiring voters to get ballot pamphlets explaining the issues before they got their early ballots. He called for an investigation of why Reagan, his fellow Republican, hid that information from the public for weeks. β€œThis was a complete fiasco,” Brnovich said then.

Reagan conceded the point during the debate, saying the special election at issue was the first statewide race run by her office.

But under questioning from host Ted Simons at KAET-TV, she said changes were made. β€œArizona now has an election system that they can be really proud of,” Reagan said.

β€œWe’ve had four statewide elections since that incident two and a half years ago,” she continued. β€œAnd things have gone off swimmingly.”

But business owner Steve Gaynor, challenging Reagan in the Republican primary, said that’s not good enough. He cited a report done after the incident showing that Reagan’s office knew weeks before it told the public that the pamphlets had not gone out on time as required by law.

β€œWhat the report shows was that it wasn’t just one error that happened on the 200,000 missed pamphlets,” Gaynor said. β€œIt was a series of errors. And then, at the end, instead of (the failure to send out the pamphlets) being publicized immediately it was kind of hidden.”

Gaynor conceded under questioning he has no hands-on knowledge of how to run an election, one of the key duties of secretary of state. But he said his business experience coupled with his study of the office qualifies him for the job.

He also lashed out at Reagan for failing to do something about what may be election fraud.

Gaynor cited a lawsuit filed earlier Thursday by attorneys for Pinnacle West Capital Corp. claiming that many of the signatures submitted for a renewable energy initiative were invalid and possibly outright forgeries. He said that Reagan, as the chief elections officer, should have done something about those signatures.

She countered that shows Gaynor’s lack of knowledge about election procedures and the role of the Secretary of State’s Office. Reagan said Arizona law relies on courts and legal challenges to determine if there are sufficient valid signatures.

β€œI don’t think you ever want one person or one office being the judge of what gets on the ballot or not,” Reagan said. β€œThat’s exactly why the system is set up where there’s multiple people that are involved.”

Gaynor sidestepped a question about why he has put $1 million of his own funds into getting elected to the office.

β€œElections are the foundation of democracy,” he responded, saying he believes how elections are run β€œis important.”

Gaynor said he was not seeking the office in hopes of it being a stepping stone to governor. Under Arizona law, the secretary of state is first in line if a governor quits or dies, something that has happened several times during the last 30 years.

He said, though, that if he is elected β€œI will study the governor’s office in order to be prepared.”

Reagan, for her part, said she wouldn’t have to study.

β€œI’ve served 12 years in the Legislature,” she said, saying she’s been involved in β€œmultiple state budgets, which is probably one of the hardest things that the executive branch does.”

Reagan added, β€œI would be an excellent governor if I was an accidental governor because I wouldn’t be running for it again.” That, she said, would free her to consider issues based on their merits rather than partisan politics and an eye on the next election.

Gaynor said there’s another side to that, saying it would mean β€œshe would do a lot of things that conservatives wouldn’t like because she wasn’t going to run again.”

Whoever survives the Aug. 28 GOP primary will face off against state Sen. Katie Hobbs, the lone Democrat in the race, and Libertarian Jenn Gray.


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