In the heart of Tucson, you canβt go far without seeing a mural by Joe Pagac.
That struck me Thursday, shortly after I interviewed the Tucson muralist, when I turned up North Fourth Avenue from downtown and was surprised to see a piece I hadnβt noticed before, on a first-floor wall of the new Ari on Fourth apartment tower.
The mural, painted last year, features a desert setting of saturated sunset clouds, in which Sonoran Desert animals ride beneath hot-air balloons made of agave, saguaro and prickly pear plants.
Classic Pagac.
Itβs a whimsical Sonoran Desert scene, pleasing to the eye, bringing a smile or chuckle and feeling familiar.
A Joe Pagac mural inspired by the Tucson desert lives on the side of the new Ari on Fourth Avenue apartments, 213 North Fourth Avenue. The desert-themed mural is three stories high and 80 feet wide.
That feeling of familiarity is in part because Pagac has been so visibly prolific around Tucson, especially lately. Beyond the massive saguaro on the Transamerica building, painted last year, he also is painting a mural on each of the new Desert Drifter coffee shops opening around town, starting with three of them, but probably expanding to more.
Itβs impressive and overall a good thing, probably, but Pagac has detractors in the mural scene, who point out the pervasiveness of his style and subjects as a downside to his popularity.
Pagac, as his reputation has grown, has been able to do work around the country, from Washington, D.C. to Alaska. But could there be too much of his work in his hometown, Tucson?
Joe Pagac, a local muralist, paints a Tucson-themed mural onto the side of the new Ari on Fourth Avenue apartments, 213 N. Fourth Avenue, in March 2024. The desert-themed mural is three stories high and 80 feet wide.
Itβs a question I put to Pagac himself as he took a break from a new piece on a Desert Drifter shop under construction near East Broadway and Alvernon Road on Thursday. That mural features his familiar style, but itβs not at sunset, and the animals are dinosaurs while people ride a large hang-glider across a sky filled with plump clouds.
He took a bit of a pause before answering.
An explosion of murals
You have to understand the context of the question, in order to understand the pause. And understand the question isnβt just about Joe Pagac β itβs about the explosion of murals in Tucson over the last decade or so.
Whatβs the dominant style? Who gets the jobs? What are the paintings saying?
Thereβs a growing cadre of muralists in Tucson who are painting walls both around the traditional core of Tucson and out into further-flung reaches of the city.
Pagac is the best-known, but others, such as Jessica Gonzales and Ignacio Garcia, have established themselves and completed large, impressive murals.
Some Tucson muralists question the style thatβs come to dominate Tucsonβs mural scene. I attended a panel discussion at the UA Poetry Center on Oct. 25, and the four muralists there raised several critiques of the drift of Tucson murals:
β They have become too dominated by similar desert scenes and sunset colors
β People wanting to pay for murals go for the same look that theyβre seeing around town, which multiplies the same style
β Expressions of the city of Tucson itself and its cultures are disfavored, compared to the desert wildlife and scenes
β Getting jobs from the city is too bureaucratic, while getting private walls usually means painting more of the same sort of scenes
βUnfortunately, in this city weβre starting to see a monopoly of style,β said Allison Miller, who has been doing murals around town for years and teaches high school art. βRight now our aesthetic is sunset-cactus murals.β
Fellow muralist Adelynn Olea said, βWe feel we either have to conform to a certain aesthetic or dilute our own style. We shouldnβt have to be making ourselves smaller to appeal or get a wall.β
Added Jessie Rosas: βPeople have to modify their style to mimic the mainstream style. Itβs a loop of diluting and conforming.β
βWho should decide the aesthetic of the city?β Rosas continued. βWe did not all consent to live in this gallery.β
A stylistic sameness
Pagac, who graduated with a bachelorβs degree in fine arts from the University of Arizona, has been painting murals full-time for 20 years, he told me. It wasnβt always well paid nor offering opportunities to paint how he wanted.
βI worked 80 hours a week, and still work 80 hours a week, and wow, for the first 10 to 12 years, was making $12,000 a year. You know, I took every single job I could get. I was willing to paint what was in other peopleβs hearts, not mine,β he said.
Over time, he established himself and started to make a living wage. And he was able to paint more of what he wanted, favorite topics being the creatures and landscapes of the Sonoran Desert.
Now, he said, heβs able to be more choosy with jobs. He said he turns down three or four jobs per day.
Tucson artist Pen Macias paints the number 23 onto a wall at Child and Family Resources, 2800 E. Broadway. MaciasΒ hosted a paint-by-numbers party in which people helped to finish the mural.
βI see that complaint all the time of like, βYouβre taking all the work.β Iβm not. Iβm currently booked out till 2027, so I have to turn down every single job that I get a call for. So thereβs a ton of work.β
But he acknowledges the stylistic sameness that sometimes is self-reinforcing. Take the whales that he painted swimming through the sky at North Campbell Avenue and East Grant Road.
βItβs become everyoneβs favorite, to the point where Iβve done whales so many times now,β he said. βI mean, theyβre on Scented Leaf, theyβre on Downtown Dispensary. Theyβre on the other Desert Drifter. This one was supposed to have whales. And last minute, they were like, βYou know what? Too many whales β do dinosaurs?β I was like, βYes, thank you.β β
But the old tastes tend to reinforce. Another mural Pagac was recently painting at North Alvernon Way and East Fifth Street originally did not have a sunset or desert animals, but those who contracted the work later asked for that, he said.
βIt ends up getting pulled back into things youβve already done,β he said. βAnd I think the second problem is new artists who are starting, they see thatβs whatβs around town, and so they emulate it, knowing thatβs whatβs selling.β
βMeaningless stickersβ
For Olea, the proliferation of similar desert scenes adds up to a sort of silencing of the city of Tucson and its people.
βThey often donβt reflect the people, the history or the traditions of what this town is,β Olea said via text message. She likened it to βputting meaningless stickers all over town.β
She and the others would like greater chances to reflect what they see in Tucson. Muralist Maxie Adler, who also spoke at the Poetry Center event, put it this way: βThe purpose of public art is to represent all of us. It should be our shared vision and shared understanding of what we are here in Tucson.β
The good news is, there is growing opportunity. Paid for largely by private parties, murals are popping up all over, and there are big block walls all over the city that could be painted.
Maxie Adler, a local muralist, speaks to the crowd during the unveiling at Mission Garden, 946 West Mission Lane, Tucson, Ariz., April 13, 2024.
Pen Macias, one of the half dozen or so muralists who do the work full time, gives credit to Pagac for building the market.
βWe werenβt a nationally known hub for public art. He figured out how to do huge pieces of public art,β Macias said. βWhatβs heβs done gets work for all of us.β
Thatβs of course a good thing and eventually could lead to a greater diversity of subjects if those who contract them expand their vision a bit.
When I asked whether his hometown has too many Pagac murals, his answer was not βyes,β and not βno.β It was βmaybe.β
βI would like to keep branching out on what Iβm doing. Like this one, I feel really good about because I feel like itβs weird and different, and I would like to keep doing more of that.β
βIβll get backlash, like, βOh my God, if I have to see one more animal on a bike from you.β And Iβm like, βMan, it has been five years since I painted an animal on a bike.ββ
Itβs no wonder people have imitated Pagacβs winning style and that the public has encouraged more. It would be great if muralists, including Pagac himself, got more chances to do something different.



